Thursday, January 9, 2014

Weed in; Collecting Out?

Things like collecting ancient coins and arrowheads used to be viewed as harmless and indeed educational pursuits.  CPO seems to recall kids could even be awarded a badge by the Boy Scouts for putting together collections of such artifacts.  Now though, collecting equates with looting and criminal activity, at least in some parts of academia, the press, the State Department and U.S. Law Enforcement.  Meanwhile, all of the sudden smoking dope seems not only to be legal, but all the rage, not only in places like Colorado, but even in the seat of our national government.   And with the Obama Administration signalling it will not enforce our nation's drug laws relating to the sale and distribution of marijuana,  perhaps all of those underemployed law enforcement types will be redirected to a further clamp down on collecting any artifacts claimed to be the property of foreign governments under their own laws (even where they make little, if any, effort to enforce those laws at home).  The Boy Scouts should be horrified.  But come to think of it,  they are "out" too, aren't they?

16 comments:

Paul Barford said...

Were you a boy scout Mr Tompa? Your ACCG members will be glad to know that they still HAVE the coin collecting merit badge in the USA http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/boyscouts/advancementandawards/meritbadges/mb-coin.aspx

Note; 'no ancient site is harmed...'.

I wrote about this a couple of years back on my blog.

Wayne G. Sayles said...

Peter;

Regarding Mr. Barford's ignorant comment above, it is simply a testament to your own open-mindedness. I long ago blocked his comments on my own blog because they add nothing intelligent to the conversation. I really wonder how many real archaeologists follow his drivel. They probably laugh about him over a glass of sherry at the AIA board meetings and the CBA is outspokenly anti-Barford as is the PAS. I have to wonder just where his support base is? Surely not in Poland, the UK or the US. Maybe in Egypt?

stoutstandards said...

He has a couple of fans in Botswana and from what I've heard three or four witch doctors in the Amazon rainforest love his blog.

Paul Barford said...

I must admit to being at a loss to understand this outburst, in what way is it "ignorance" to give the information that the Scouts still have a coin collecting merit badge when the blogger uses the past tense to refer to it?

What has the ACCG Executive Director got against this badge being mentioned? Surely the ACCG is about encouraging coin collecting?

http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2014/01/grumpy-old-gits.html

Cultural Property Observer said...

For Mr. Barford, ancient coins are lumped together with foreign coins at all the major shows and I suspect the Boy Scouts would not preclude one from getting a badge based on a collection of them. Sadly though, they are getting beyond the means of most kids so its natural that most badge seekers will go the modern foreign coin route. In that regard, I'd note that Wayne has done much to further the appreciation of ancient coins both to kids and oldsters alike. I think he's rightfully frustrated about your views of the merits of his life's work and my personal interest as well.

Paul Barford said...

Well, I REALLY do not know what you are on about.

"I think he's rightfully frustrated about your views of the merits of his life's work "

well, first of all he talks here of my "ignorance" not "impudence" and secondly I did not mention Wayne Sayles in my comment, I supplied a link to information about a merit badge you gave the impression no longer existed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyway, why are you always talking for others? Arthur Houghton, now Wayne Sayles. Have they no voices of their own?

John H said...

One would think from Mr Barford's stunning academic brilliance; his standing as the foundation upon which the international archaeological community apparently depends, and a globally-read opinion-former, the casual observer might think that Wayne G Sayles would show more respect.

However, Mr Barford -- according to my information albeit apocryphal -- suggests Mr Barford is not quite the archaeological icon he fosters; Mr Barford's Artifact Erosion Counter, now proven to be pure hokum, has some archaeologists feel, brought archaeology to the level of a vaudeville act. The knives are out!

Wayne G Sales has his measure!








kyri said...

hi all,let me just add a little to this debate.there are a few leading members of the PAS who do follow mr barfords blog i have even seen one senior archaeologist from bloomsbury exchange tweets with mr barfoprd on more than one occasion.also i have exchanged emails with a few archaeologists in the uk who would never dream of commenting on his blog but have told me privately that they agree with some ,though not all of his points on the PAS and uk archaeological/treasure laws.i have the utmost respect for mr sayles and mr houghton but im happy that you peter have decided to keep the dialogue going,if anything it makes interesting reading as long as it stays civil.people do read his blog and david gills.gill was blogging last week that he gets up to 300 hits a day,people are interested in cultural issues not in school yard bickering and snide remarks.
kyri.

Cultural Property Observer said...

Thanks Kyri. On Dr. Gill, he's not always civil either and sometimes does not post comments. I posted one correcting his blog on Bill Pearlstein in a polite way, but it was never published.

kyri said...

He has not published some of mine either I allways give him benefit of the doubt and prresume they were lost in cyber space I'm out sending this frm my phone sorry if any typos

stoutstandards said...

kyri likes to use the term school yard bickering yet shows his colors and bent in this recent post. Guess it depends on who the parties are when it comes to school yard bickering...

http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2013/12/focus-on-uk-metal-detecting-landowner.html

kyri said...

"true colors"im just trying to be an ethical collector mr stout.isnt that what we all want?as a passionate collector i dont see eye to eye with everything mr barford writes but he does make some good points whether you like it or not.
"school yard bickering and snide remarks"your last 3 contributions to this blog have been personal attacks or ridiculing mr barford and have contributed nothing to the debate.anyone logging in for the first time will be wondering if it isnt 11 year olds writing the comments.yes he has crossed the line a few times as have many others in this debate.i have had both barrels on more than one occasion from all sides.yesterday on twitter i was arguing with the chasing aphrodite blog[i think run by jason felch] and justin walsh[an archaeologists from chapman university]when they were lambasting michael peppard from fordham university over the purchase by fordham of some christian mosaics.views were exchanged robustly but we all remaind civil.not a snide remark or personal attack to be seen.
kyri.

kyri said...

btw mr stout regarding the link to my comment on paull barfords blog,as a uk tax payer of course when people are claiming disability benefits and claim they are unfit for work but are out metal detecting all day it irks.many of the metal detectors who have made significant finds were on benefits when they did so.im not anti-metaldetecting as i believe they have made a contribution to the archaeological record of the uk but i do believe they should be licenced and regulated rather,than the free for all we have now.you need a licence to mudlark on the banks of the thames so why not to metal detect.there are many cases in the uk where metaldetectors have behaved unethically,to many to mention hear.
kyri.

Paul Barford said...

>>shows his colors and bent<<

Do you have UK dole scroungers in Texas Mr Stout? I see no "schoolyard bickering" in what Kyri (a respected London businessman) commented on my blog, he is welcome to his opinion of UK dole scroungers, as has everybody, but I do wonder what relevance you think any of this has to Boy Scout Merit Badges.

Are there Boy Scout Merit Badges in metal detecting over in the states Mr Stout? If not, why do you think that might be?

People ARE interested in cultural property issues (I get 600+ hits a day at the moment) and I guess they will go where sensible points are made, and controversy not dodged, and discussion does not descend to the utterly uncalled for personal level of the posts by certain commentators above.

Is this a blog by a professional Washington lawyer engaged in cultural property issues, or is it a metal detecting forum? It seems to me there should be a difference.


stoutstandards said...

kryi I certainly hope you don't correspond with your real estate clients like you do here, and Mr. Barford are you not the grammatical king?

Cultural Property Observer said...

I think we've reached diminishing returns on this one so I'm closing out comments to this post.